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Saturday, May 1, 2010

As the MGM Grand heats up for Mayweather-Mosley, celebrities make their presence felt

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Las Vegas Boxing Examiner | Chris Robinson

Boxing is unique in that the majority of the fan base is made up of people with die-hard enthusiasm for the sport and you rarely see much mainstream attention turned to the sweet science. It takes a fight of great magnitude to get the everyday public’s full attention and such is the case with tonight’s Floyd Mayweather-Shane Mosley bout in Las Vegas, Nevada.

All one had to do was take a stroll through the main lobby and casino of the MGM Grand earlier today to get the full impact on how heavily tonight’s contest truly is. Fight week in Nevada is always full of excitement but there seems to be a special aura in the air this time around. People have come out in droves to attend the event, both fans and celebrities alike, and by the time the bell rings for round one the atmosphere will be likely be out of control.

Many boxing luminaries are in Sin City this weekend for the fight, many of whom are connected to either Mayweather or Mosley in certain ways. Among the list of pugilists include Fernando Vargas, Sugar Ray Leonard, Thomas ‘The Hitman’ Hearns, Ricky Hatton, Marco Antonio Barrera, Mike Tyson, Andre Berto, Sergio Mora, Joe Calzaghe, Oscar De La Hoya, Alfredo Angulo, and Erik Morales, among others.

Earlier today in the media room of the casino both Juan Manuel Marquez and Juan Diaz were in attendance for a press conference to announce their July 31st rematch. In February of last year Marquez stopped Diaz in the 8th round of a high-octane affair that was considered by many to be the fight of the year. Even in acknowledging the importance of their second bout both men seemed to realize that tonight belonged all to Mayweather and Mosley.

People from the worlds of entertainment and other high-profile sports have had a lot to say on the contest as well. Mayweather-Mosley is the type of fight that is a rarity because of the attention it has attracted and we can only hope the fight lives up to the hype.


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Collapse of megafight clears way for Mayweather, Mosley

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It began with a pro wrestling moment. Boxing fans hope it ends with one of the sport's best moments in years.

Shane Mosley has waited years for a chance to fight Floyd Mayweather Jr. He tried goading Mayweather into fighting him in September, crashing Mayweather's victory interview with HBO after his return to the ring against Juan Manuel Marquez.

But the reality is, it took many unforeseen circumstances to set up tonight's welterweight showdown at the MGM Grand Garden.

Mayweather (40-0, 25 knockouts) was set to face Manny Pacquiao in a March 13 megafight at the MGM Grand. Each fighter stood to make a reported $40 million. But when Pacquiao refused Mayweather's demand to submit to Olympic-style random drug testing, the fight fell through.

Mosley (46-5, 39 KOs), meanwhile, had plans of his own to fight in Las Vegas. He was to face WBC welterweight champion Andre Berto on Jan. 30 at Mandalay Bay. But Berto pulled out three weeks before the fight when a devastating earthquake struck Haiti, where he has family.

That left Mosley and Mayweather with an opportunity to finally meet, and both fighters were available. Both were in the gym. The coveted Cinco De Mayo date at the MGM Grand was open. Mosley, who had admitted to using steroids in 2003, was willing to do what Pacquiao wouldn't, agreeing to random drug testing.

HBO quickly got on board. The money got worked out, with Mayweather to make $22.5 million and Mosley $7 million. Their long-awaited confrontation was realized.

Now, the question is, can Mayweather remain perfect? Or does Mosley cap his Hall of Fame career by being the first pro to defeat Mayweather?

Both fighters made the 147-pound limit at Friday's weigh-in, with Mayweather weighing 146 and Mosley 147. Mosley's WBA welterweight title is not at stake, but he's out to prove he can still fight at age 38.

"I will knock (Mayweather) out," Mosley said. "I can see he's getting a little more nervous, a little more scared. I noticed it at the press conference (Wednesday) when we faced each other."

Mosley usually doesn't get caught up in that kind of hype. But this is a big-money fight with bigger implications to both fighters' legacies. It was also out of character for Mosley to climb into the Grand Garden ring Sept. 19 to challenge Mayweather, who had just returned from a 21-month absence to rout Marquez.

It was a WWE moment. And Mayweather, who has done work in pro wrestling, was not amused by Mosley crowding the spotlight.

"Don't go disrespecting me!" he yelled at Mosley while trying to conduct his postfight interview.

Mosley has his version of what happened.

"People forget I work for Golden Boy (Promotions), and I had a right to be inside the ring after the (Marquez) fight," he said. "I came over to Floyd because he called me over to the conversation."

Mayweather insists the incident is not fueling his fire for this fight. But it's hard to imagine he's not using Mosley's supposed disrespect as motivation.

"The ultimate goal was for him to be disrespectful," Mayweather said. "I'm not trippin', but a riot could have broken out over something that small."

No skirmishes came about, but the seed was planted for tonight. Now that Mosley finally has what he wants, can he take advantage of the opportunity?

"We've got a Plan A, a Plan B and a Plan C," he said. "If Plan A works, we won't need to go to B or C."

Mosley obviously declines to divulge that plan. But he has the speed, power and experience to make Mayweather fight. He also has Naazim Richardson in his corner, a trainer who knows how to plan for an opponent.

Richardson said the key to beating Mayweather is to force him to fight.

"You hit (Mayweather) the first time in the face and he's going to turn into a dragon," Richardson said. "He's going to be breathing fire. So what you do is step on his tail and hit him in the stomach."

But will Mosley be able to get through Mayweather's defense often enough to hurt him? Mayweather, who appears to have gained some upper body strength to offset one of Mosley's assets, said each fight brings its own set of challenges.

"You prepare different ways physically depending on who you're fighting," Mayweather said. "Mentally, it's always the same -- you want to be focused on what you're supposed to be doing. I always want to look better than the time before.

"Whatever Shane tries to do, I'll be ready. It could end in a knockout. If he comes in, it could end in a knockout. The key is for me to be smart, use my jab and do what I've always done."

Contact reporter Steve Carp at or 702-387-2913.


Long-awaited showdown Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Shane Mosley tonight

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By Matthew Aguilar

LAS VEGAS -- For the first time in his career, Floyd Mayweather Jr. may be going into a fight where he does not have supreme physical advantages.

Mayweather, who will meet WBA welterweight champion Shane Mosley tonight at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, is smaller, shorter, and probably not as physically strong as his opponent. And some think the psychological implications of that quandary could result in the first loss of Mayweather's unblemished pro log.

As the two stood eyeball-to-eyeball after Friday's tension-filled weigh-in, there is little doubt that Mosley plans to utilize every asset available -- physical, psychological or otherwise.

In a fight dubbed, "Who R U Picking?" Mosley is forcing the boxing world to think before answering "Mayweather" automatically.

Sugar Shane came in at a ready 147 pounds, a pound heavier than Mayweather's 146 -- pounding home the point that he is the natural welterweight in this fight.

"The key to the fight is my speed and power," said Mosley, a native of Pomona, Calif., who has a won world titles in three weight divisions in a 46-5 (39 knockouts) career. "I've always had power, even when I was a lightweight. But I can also knock people out in this weight class."

Not that Mayweather, 40-0 (25 KOs), appeared anything less than his ultra-confident, brash, cocky self. He got in Mosley's face after stepping off the scale, staring directly into Mosley's eyes as if to say, "don't think this undefeated record is a fluke."


-- abs glistening -- looked ripped, exciting the 6,000 fans on hand at a raucous weigh-in. "Money" has won world titles in four weight divisions and is arguably the best pound-for-pound fighter in boxing.

Boxing insiders who think this will be one great fight found that the weigh-in only reinforced that belief.

"I had a great camp and I put in a lot of hard work," Mayweather said. "My (trainer) uncle Roger (Mayweather) and my dad (Floyd Mayweather Sr.) did a great job. The key to this fight is the jab. I've got to do what I've always done -- establish the jab and fight a smart fight."

When asked whether there is a chance he could reverse roles and turn aggressor, Mayweather said, "this fight could end in a KO if he comes in."

Adding to the weigh-in tension, Mayweather manager Leonard Ellerbe and Mosley began to shove each other while the fighters were staring each other down.

It's proof that -- after a whirlwind media tour and 11 years of familiarity -- these guys really don't like each other.

Although "Who R U Picking?" is one of the best fights in the game, boxing fans still have an eye on Manny Pacquiao, the man who many consider the best fighter in boxing. Mayweather-Mosley became a reality only after Mayweather-Pacquiao negotiations broke down in January.

If Mosley wins, he will almost certainly fight Pacquiao this fall. If Mayweather wins, boxing fans hope the two camps reopen negotiations for what likely would be one of the biggest fights in boxing history.


Friday, April 30, 2010

Bold Predictions in Breaking That Timex of Silence: Can Mosley Really Beat Mayweather, Jr.? vs Mosley

By Granville Ampong
Sat, 01 May 2010

Unless Mayweather plays dirty that which he would not and unless Mayweather chooses to engage a toe-to-toe battle that which he would not, the best decision Mosley could get over the "boxing scientist" from the board of judges and from referee Kenny Bayless would be a DRAW or a DISQUALIFICATION, which borders to almost zero probability.

SIDE BAR EXCLUSIVE FOR PHILBOXING.COM: LAS VEGAS, Nevada - Sugar Shane Mosley (46-5-0) will try to debunk, if not nullify, Floyd Mayweather ,Jr.'s story of a "boxing scientist" and put an end to his undefeated professional record of 40 wins, inclusive of 25 knockouts, this Saturday, May 1, at the MGM Grand Arena in Las Vegas, Nevada, live on HBO Pay-per-View telecast, beginning at 9:00 p.m. Eastern Time/6:00 p.m. Pacific Time.

But, it's not going to be easy for Mosley. Mayweather, 33, has transformed himself into a ring master whose schemes and bad intentions, each chance he timely counter-attacks and surgically targets his foe, whisper of infinite possibilities to win, at least against retirable Mosley, 38, whose battery-operated Timex quartz may have just been low at reading.

Nevertheless,the best of Mosley may not be seen anymore in the ring of madness than just unwarranted aggression to force Mayweather, Jr. on a toe-to-toe combat. His stinging left hand, though unorthodox contrary to what he claims himself to be, that stunned Fernando Vargas twice by knockout in a devastating fashion in 2006, has diminished its tonicity and may need something more than just training and unlimited salad refills at the Olive Garden- guaranteed as chlorophyll-rich to boost oxygen transport for power, almost of equal potency as with Procrit(Epoetin alfa), that man-made form of a protein that helps one's body produce red blood cells, that he once had - all to compete the speed of Mayweather, Jr. and the latter's "DANCING WITH THE STARS" antics.

For therapeutic and experimental purposes, Mosley might need Mestinon, a prescription medicine for an auto-immune neuro-muscular disease called Myasthenia Gravis, which may help improve his voluntary muscles to quickly respond during his fight or flight encounters in the ring, only if well-managed at a series of controlled dosages, according to a neurologist who discloses this golden tip on the condition of anonymity. He said Mosley's reflexes can become faster and may be faster enough to equal the speed of Mayweather, Jr., intimating that he is slower than the latter by two seconds or more. Mestinon, he said, also gives one a momentary freedom from fatigue. But, the problem is that such agent can be classified as a stimulant, for this purpose, and should be listed as one of the prohibited performance enhancement drugs, if it is still unrecognized by the Athletic Commissions across the U.S. and so as by the U.S. Anti-doping Agency.

ADVISE FOR MOSLEY: Find the #1 food you should eat to boost your reflexes and enjoy it before you break your Timex on an impending crash on fight night, and maybe, just maybe, Laura Bush can help you break that Timex from silence, which she did on her latest book "Spoken From The Heart", of frustration as you chase Mayweather around, hopelessly, within that 20 x 20 feet canvas of madness.

Hm...enough for that! Mosley can do better, for sure, on Mother's day.

Well, unlike the 2010 Kentucky Derby favorite, Eskendereya, who is out with leg issue, Mosley can chase Mayweather, Jr. all night long, knowing the availability of 'Iron Man 2' toys at Burger King. Yes,it's going to be a long night chasing for nothing, except that he'll just get hit a lot at almost every opening he makes when he throws his punches.

If one were to assess Mosley's power when he fought against Antonio Margarito, an impressive trail would be seen.

But, Margarito was simply out of focus during which time he got caught of using illegal wraps just before he first attempted to enter the ring on that fight night with Mosley. Margarito blew up his mind trying to compensate what was lost: the power of such illegal wraps.

On the other hand, not to undercut his determination, Mosley's knockout win over Mayorga in the twelfth was not that impressive either. Judge Pat Russell scored 104-105 in favor of Mayorga even at the time of the stoppage, and Judge Nelson Vazquez scored it close, 105-104, to his favor. Ironically, a less popular judge, Tony Crebs, had it, in fact, wildly to his favor, 107-102.

So what is more of Mosley?

Margarito and Mayorga are only at B minus level compared to Mayweather,Jr.'s power, speed and ring intelligence.

Unless Mayweather plays dirty that which he would not and unless Mayweather chooses to engage a toe-to-toe battle that which he would not, the best decision Mosley could get over the "boxing scientist" from the board of judges and from referee Kenny Bayless would be a DRAW or a DISQUALIFICATION, which borders to almost zero probability.

Meanwhile, among the prospects of the welterweight division, Mosley, Mayweather, Marquez, Margarito, Mayorga, Malinaggi and Morales (whose comeback fight is at welterweight) - all these M's, only one smaller man, the new "AMERICAN IDOL" who has the eyes of Bruce Lee, could bolt upon their might as their common exponential denominator, that is Pound-for-Pound King Manny Pacquiao, whose new light in the realm of Philippine politics has bought him a promising brand to his name: Congressman Emmanuel D. Pacquiao.

Conversely, Mosley definitely wants a shot against Pacquiao more than what he dreams of against Mayweather, Jr. Nonetheless, that chance may happen only after a Pacquiao-Margarito Fight at the Dallas Cowboy Stadium before the close of this year, regardless as to whether he wins over Mayweather, Jr. tomorrow night.

But, as for this sundown of Black Sabbath, who are you picking?



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By Ed de la Vega, DDS
Sat, 01 May 2010

The official weigh-in for the Mosley-Mayweather fight was held early this afternoon at the MGM Grand Garden Arena with the members of the public as witnesses to the event.

The weigh-in was supervised by the Executive Director of the Nevada State Athletic Commission, Mr.Keith Kizer.

The results are as follows:

Sugar Shane Mosley - 147lbs. vs Floyd Mayweather Jr. - 146lbs

Saul Alvarez - 150lbs vs Jose Miguel Cotto - 149lbs

Daniel Ponce de Leon - 125lbs vs Cornelius Lock - 125lbs


Email this article Mayweather Weighs 146, Mosley Is 147

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By Michael Woods

No surprises at the weigh in for Saturday night's welterweight clash between undefeated Floyd Mayweather, who's seeking to grab pound for pound top billing and wider acclaim as an all-time great, and Shane Mosley, seeking the signature win as his career winds down.

The 33-year-old Mayweather weighed 146 pounds. Mosley, age 38, was 147 pounds in the weigh in held at the MGM in Las Vegas, the site of tomorrow night's tussle. Some will recall Mayweather spurred some drama when he came in heavy for his fight with Juan Manuel Marquez last May. The contract called for the fighters to weigh 144 or less, and Mayweather weighed 146 pounds, and had to pay off JMM for the extra poundage.

Tommy Hearns appeared, and greeted the crowd. He said every time he sees Ray Leonard he flashes back to 1989, and asks Ray if he wants to fight one more time. Joe Calzaghe, Marco Antonio Barrera, Joe Calzaghe, Andre Berto, Sergio Mora, Juan Manuel Marquez and Ricky Hatton were also in the house, according to Michael Buffer, who emceed with comedian George Wallace. Berto said he thinks Mayweather will take it, and said he'd like to fight whoever wins.

The main undercard for the big bout is a Saul Canelo Alvarez-Jose Miguel Cotto clash, Alvarez scaled in at 150 pounds, while Cotto weighed 149 pounds. Regular readers know I'm not a fan of the less than stacked undercards that we are given. This one might be a barn burner, but call me greedy, what about another title fight, or even two, for the premium price people will be paying? Go the UFC route, and give people a bunch of compelling bouts, instead of using PPV undercards as resume builders/infomercials for the rest of your stable. It's a no brainer, from my perspective, but from a short-term cost perspective, this makes sense to the promoters. You will never, ever, convince me of the validity and soundness of this practice.


Floyd Mayweather Vs. Shane Mosley: The Ultimate Guide

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Written by Tim Starks
Friday, 30 April 2010 11:30

Don't follow boxing very often, but you want to know the gist of Saturday's mega-fight between Floyd Mayweather and Shane Mosley? Follow boxing all the time, and want one place that rounds up all the links about the welterweight showdown you could ever want? This Ultimate Guide to the May 1 pay-per-view bout is for you, no matter what kind you are.

As The Queensberry Rules has been covering the fight all week long, we'd be remiss not to point you to any of the six blog entries we've written this week. We analyzed the meaning of Mayweather-Mosley; considered what could be the most pivotal weapon Mosley brings to the fight; examined how Mayweather and Mosley stack up against one another, both in the physical and more mental departments; broke down the gambler's angle on the fight; and provided our final preview and prediction.

If you're looking for a shortcut with highlights of each man's career, HBO's succinct videos are the easiest way, and they'd get you pumped for the fight too. One flaw -- they left out any mention of Mosley's losses, but so be it. For a complete tally of each fighter's records and biographical data, BoxRec gives them to you here and here. For a longer-form look at each man, particularly his personality, you can catch the glossy award-winning informercial that is HBO's 24/7 series (plus each man's most recent fight, in full) here, with the final 24/7 episode to air on HBO Friday night and reruns of every episode on the various HBO channels airing all weekend long.

So let's say you wanna watch the fight. Contacting your cable or satellite provider is one way, and it'll cost you $55 or if you're a high-definition person, $65. If you do it that way, don't forget about the Tecate rebate of up to $30 with a purchase of that surprisingly not-bad beer, Or you can check it out in one of 415 movie theaters around the country. The last Mayweather fight did pretty well in the theaters, so you might want to buy your tickets ASAP. They're $20 each. Assorted bars around the United States air events like this. Actual tickets are still available (more on that later), but if you're in Vegas and don't have $800 to throw around, you can go the cheaper closed circuit TV route.

Usually I do separate previews for the televised undercard, but I now will only do them for undercards that are worth half a damn. This one isn't. So here's your undercard preview. 1. The best fight of the lot is probably a featherweight bout between Daniel Ponce De Leon, a knockout artist, and Cornelius Lock, a Mayweather family protege with some skills who was in the best fight on the last Mayweather pay-per-view, a knockout win over Orlando Cruz. It's a pretty decent match-up, but if this is as meaningful as an undercard fight gets, it's bad news; a win probably puts the victor in the "contender" category. 2. Welterweight Saul Alvarez, a popular 19-year-old Mexican prospect who's some how red-headed, looks to have a promising future and he is taking a good developmental fight for him at this point in his career, a bout against tough Jose Cotto. He's the brother of Miguel but he isn't as talented, Jose, but he was only OK as a lightweight and shouldn't be too difficult for Alvarez two divisions higher. 3. Hector David Saldivia fights Said Ouali in a welterweight title eliminator, which is an indictment of sanctioning organizations such as the WBA the likes of which we get every week. Saldivia's the typical South American fighter -- glossy KO record, unknown opponents. Ouali put up a game but losing effort last year on Showtime against Selcuk Aydin. Who knows what we'll get with this fight, given Saldivia's inscrutable record.

Incidentally, some providers are airing additional undercard bouts before the show starts. Free boxing! Worth checking out, even if the additional bouts aren't too spectacular on paper. See here for details.

You can watch the weigh-in live on Friday, if you want. It's usually on ESPN's website, for starters, but also may appear on ESPN or ESPNews or something of the sort. Doors open for the weigh-in at 1 p.m., but expect something on the airwaves at closer to 3 p.m. PT. These things are usually very corny ceremonies with various half-celebrities coming out to shout things designed to fire up the live crowd, then you see some dudes in their underwear, and unless there's a controversy like a fighter not making weight, they aren't very informative. But to each their own.

It's no longer a surprise when the top papers do takes on the big fights, but it's often good writing. ESPN's Fight Credential has a ton of coverage, including a blog about what's going down on the ground in Vegas this week. The Wall Street Journal's always excellent Gordon Marino has a top-to-bottom rundown, including a bit of "what comes next at welterweight" drama, i.e. Manny Pacquiao. USA Today has been all over the fight, but this "Mayweather and Mosley are opposites" angle is one they go to first. The New York Times takes separate looks at Mayweather and Mosley, with the Mosley look especially good. The Los Angeles Times has done takes on both men, too, but sometimes I gotta pick just one, so here's their "last words" article. The New York Daily News' Tim Smith crushes on Mayweather some, but he's a good boxing writer and he's done a number of articles on the fight -- this one's the most boxing-focused. The Washington Post's entry is less-than-stellar, alas, using a success story in boxing to explain why boxing soon shall die (never mind that we're always worried about the "next" American superstar) -- but it does focus on the interesting American vs. American angle, so there you go. I'll add others here as they pop up.

How big is the business of this fight? You might not be able to tell from the ticket sales, but then, Mayweather fight tickets are usually ridiculously overpriced. Golden Boy Promotions chief Richard Schaefer predicts it could sell 4 million pay-per-views, which almost everyone thinks is stupid, but we all thought he was stupid when he predicted Mayweather-Juan Manuel Marquez would do 1 million, and he was right. Leave your prediction on PPV buys below in the comments section, if you have one. (And no matter what the pay-per-view profits are, each guy will do OK for themselves -- Mosley is guaranteed $7 million to Mayweather's $22.5 million. Final figures should be a good deal higher.)

P.S. For those of us who have been cured of our Celebreality addiction, you may not know that Floyd Mayweather is a running figure in a show about a member of TLC, a pop act relevant in the 1990s. Chili, I don't care if you are Crazy, Sexy or Cool, but if you need someone to comfort you when Floyd stands you up on your next date, I'm here for you.


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Shane Mosley – Doin’ Work The Right Way

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By Thomas Gerbasi

At Big Bear Lake, Shane Mosley isn’t “Sugar Shane” – boxing superstar and future Hall of Famer. He’s just Shane, and after ten years there, the conversations with the locals are the kind you have with your own neighbors, with the exception of the fact that the soft-spoken Mosley is a prizefighter.

“Hey, getting ready for another fight?”

And that’s it. No hour-long heart-to-hearts giving Mosley the secret formula to beating Floyd Mayweather this weekend, no prying into a personal life that has gotten more than enough press in the lead-up to the biggest boxing match of 2010, and no mention of anything that happened in 2003 unless it’s about someone falling into the lake that year or one of the members of the local bowling league rolling a perfect game.

“They’ve known me for years and I’m kinda like a local up here,” Mosley told “Everybody knows where I live and they all know me.”

As one of the locals, Mosley is protected from the outside world to an extent and free to practice his trade without the distractions that come with life at his home outside of training camp – Las Vegas. “Sin City” is the polar opposite of Big Bear, California, just like Mosley is the polar opposite of Floyd Mayweather. While “Pretty Boy Floyd” excels in the midst of chaos and seems to live for it, Mosley appreciates the peace and the quiet that comes before one of the biggest fights of his life.

“I think that’s why I’m up here in Big Bear a lot,” he said. “It’s because I’m at peace. I can be by myself in my room, I can look at TV, and do what I want to do. I don’t have to worry about the outside distractions.”

There have been enough of those leading up to Saturday’s showdown at the MGM Grand Garden Arena, most of them coming in the form of pointed barbs from the Mayweather camp. Yet if these verbal jabs were designed to rattle Mosley or get under his skin, round one will go to the pride of Pomona, California.

“I don’t think that he can get under my skin,” said Mosley. “I’ve been through a lot worse than that as far as mental torture, so I don’t think he can get under my skin.”

Mental torture? A quick rundown of the 52 fight career of Mosley will show that there was some verbal jousting with opponents like Ricardo Mayorga, Fernando Vargas, and Vernon Forrest, but nothing that would really constitute mental torture, at least not to us on the outside. So Mosley clarifies.

“That was back around the time when I was losing,” he says with a chuckle, referring to the 2002-2004 season when he was only able to muster a 1-4, 1 NC record. Granted, his four losses came to Forrest (twice) and Winky Wright (twice), but still, four losses to anyone can put a dent in your earning potential and ego. What makes it worse is when those closest to you start to question whether you still have what it takes to succeed in the hardest game.

“When you have inside people talking crap to you all the time,” said Mosley, “that can be mental torture.”

Since the second loss to Wright in November of 2004, Mosley has resurrected his career, winning seven of eight fights, with the only defeat coming via a close 12 round decision to Miguel Cotto in 2007.

In his most recent bout, in January of 2009, he destroyed heavily favored Antonio Margarito in nine rounds, a performance many applauded not just for the nuts and bolts of the systematic dismantling of the Mexican champion, but because Mosley did it in the eye of a personal storm that included a separation from his then-wife Jin, his involvement in the BALCO performance enhancing drugs scandal from 2003 that was still rearing its head, and the fact that he was breaking in a new trainer in Naazim Richardson after splitting with his father Jack a second time. Most would have broken – Mosley excelled, seemingly finding peace in the midst of war.

So if you think a little trash talking from Mayweather is going to rattle the 38-year old, then you don’t know Shane Mosley.

“When you get ready for fights, you don’t want to be emotional and you try not to have things weighing on your mind too much,” he said. “That’s the most important thing about boxing and about being a fighter – you have to have a clear mind and just worry about the boxing at hand. I’ve never really gone into a fight angry at a fighter. Maybe I’ll be angry about certain things, but not at the other fighter. We’re just doing our jobs; we go in there and fight, and we’re living our lives, wanting to be the best.”

Plus, no one likes being ignored, and the more Mosley deflects Mayweather’s attacks, the more it apparently unnerves the pound-for-pound great. Mosley believes that by engaging, he’s entering Floyd’s world, and when he does that, the master chess player from Las Vegas will have gotten an edge on him that will be hard to overcome.

“I think that’s where Floyd gets the upper hand on fighters,” he said. “He’s already a mental wreck, so he brings you into his game and then you can’t fight the way you want to fight. With me, I don’t think about hating the fighter; I think about winning.”

Mosley isn’t the first fighter to say that, and he won’t be the last. He is one of a small group that actually means it though. I’ll qualify that by saying that there are fighters who think solely about winning, but only because a win will guarantee a bigger payday down the line. But fighters are liars by nature – they tell themselves that they feel fine when they’re hurt, they tell their bodies to keep moving when the natural response is to shut down, and they say it’s all about the love of the game when the bottom line is, there are much easier ways to make a buck than by torturing themselves mentally and physically in the name of sport, and they know it.

But there are some mavericks, like Mosley, who still have that competitive spirit that makes them get up every morning to train and compete, and it’s evident in some of the statements that he makes. In the lead-up to this fight, the three division world champion speaks of proving himself as the best in the world. It’s a place where he has already held court, and that’s a claim only a select few can make, yet doing it once or twice before isn’t enough.

“I’d like to prove myself at this point in time,” he explains. “I know I’ve already proved myself as far as being the best, but I have a personal goal within myself to be able to beat anybody and be at the top of my game. So I just want to prove that I’m the best, even at this time.”

Two fighters keep him from that type of recognition: Mayweather, and the current pound-for-pound boss, Manny Pacquiao. Depending on the outcome of Saturday’s bout, Mosley could leapfrog the Filipino icon should he dismantle Mayweather in dominating fashion, but to most observers, if Mosley wins, it will be in a fight that is anything but one-sided. And even if you’re picking Mayweather to score the victory, you are probably conceding that Mosley will push the Michigan native harder than he has ever been pushed in his perfect 40-0 pro career.

“When everybody puts that “but” or “what if” in there, that means it’s a great fight,” smiles Mosley, and he also believes that the pundits are right; that he will be the man who will force Mayweather to bite down on his mouthpiece, stand his ground, and not box, but fight. Of course, he’s not the first Mayweather opponent to make that claim, so what makes his assertion any different.

“If you look at the guys that he’s fought, they’re a lot lighter and a lot smaller, and the guys that I’ve fought were a lot bigger than me in the last couple of fights, so you can just see the difference,” said Mosley. “He’s been pushed a little bit but he hasn’t fought the top big guys. I fought big guys and knocked them out. That’s the difference. When I get in the ring, I see the difference right away between smaller guys and big guys when I spar with them.”

In other words, Mosley, who is more acclimated to life around 147 / 154 pounds, is expecting to be the bully on Saturday night. He laughs.

“I’m gonna be the bully, the matador, I’m gonna be everything.”

He’s going to need to be. Because in spite of Mayweather’s bluster and ‘bad guy’ persona, when you take that away, he’s still perhaps the most gifted fighter of this era, someone who makes what he does in the ring look effortless. Mosley, on the other hand, has always given the impression that he’s the type of guy that puts on his hard hat and goes to work when the bell rings. Despite his natural gifts, Mosley’s fights end up exhausting not only the participants, but those watching from the safety of their seats. They are comprised of 36 minutes or less of constant motion, with bursts of intensity followed by a close quarters wrestling session and then more action. Conversely, Mayweather’s bouts are like those seen in a video game. A flick here, a push there, and nothing happens that isn’t already programmed into his mind and his fists. When it’s all over, you shut down the console and it’s off to the next game – no marks, no blood, no sweat.

So can boxing’s blue-collar battler beat the computer-like calculations of its most pristine talent? Las Vegas will be on lockdown for as long as it takes to find out, while in Big Bear Lake, the lights will be off in Shane Mosley’s cabin, but there won’t be a panic. The folks there will simply say ‘don’t worry, Shane’s just gone to work.’


Thursday, April 29, 2010

Mayweather Just Might Need That Rematch Clause

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By Ron Borges

For all the skill and style that Floyd Mayweather, Jr. and Shane Mosley will bring into the ring at the MGM Grand Garden Arena Saturday night in Las Vegas, the most important thing they will bring is their minds.

Although there will be moments of intensity and unfriendly fire, the best fight yet made this year will be decided more by the man who can think fastest than by the one whose feet move fastest.

At 38 years old, Mosley well understands this. Throughout his career, the defending WBA welterweight champion has been quick of foot and nimble of mind, often taking over late in fights because he was able to make the last adjustment to his opponent’s varied attempts to attack him and exploit his weaknesses.

Against an opponent as skilled and intelligent as Mayweather, all Mosley’s physical and mental powers will be tested and if they are found to be waning or aged then the mental aspect of things will be of less import because at that point the powers of the mind would become more survival skill than one source of a road to victory.

But if Mosley proves to be what many in boxing think he will be (which is to say the toughest test of Mayweather’s career), then the powers of analysis and lucid thinking while under duress will come into play as the fight’s determining factor.

Mayweather is a skilled boxer with unusual quickness and hand speed but he also comes to the ring armed with an uncanny understanding of defense. This is not simply the art of not being hit. It’s the art of hitting you and then not being hit in response.

A fighter is most vulnerable when he is most offensive. Mosley and Mayweather both understand this and Mosley knows how patient Mayweather can be in his efforts to avoid opening himself up to such vulnerabilities. That’s why Mosley’s trainer, Naazim Richardson, put it well when he said the key elements of this fight are not simply an analysis of who possesses faster hands or quicker feet.

“Floyd is an exceptional athlete but when we sit down to the chess board I don’t see your queen moving faster than my queen,’’ Richardson said. “Your rook can’t take extra moves that my rook can’t take. Bottom line, I feel we’re bringing athletes that both have great attributes to them into the ring and they’re both going to have to make adjustments throughout the fight.

“Timing is just one of your problems you’re going to face dealing with Floyd Mayweather but if you sit there and try to depict everything (before the fight) you’re going to have to face with him who’s going to spar like Floyd Mayweather?

“You’re lying to yourself if you say you’ve got somebody (in sparring) that fights like Shane Mosley. No you don’t or they’d be somewhere getting ready for their title fight. That fighter fights like Floyd Mayweather? No he doesn’t or that guy would be a legend already. He wouldn’t have time to be in your camp working with you.

“All you can do is train the athlete to be best of their ability and then bring him in and have him follow your game plan to the best of his ability. I feel as though Shane will be able to execute everything we’re working on and then Floyd will need to make adjustments as Shane will have to make adjustments throughout the fight.’’

Who makes them most successfully will prevail because while Mayweather has the advantages of youth and probably of superior quickness the latter is not likely to be so starkly different between the two of them that it turns this fight into Mayweather-Gatti II.

That night Mayweather was so vastly superior in technique and speed that the fight was not even an argument. Debating societies have more furious sparring sessions than Mayweather had to deal with in that fight. That is not likely to be the case this time so long as Mosley keeps his head and doesn’t allow his own penchant for aggressiveness to overwhelm him or blunt Richardson’s plan of attack.

“Patience is something that Shane has and the thing about it is not only patience but Shane has the professionalism that just sees through things,’’ Richardson said of dealing with Mayweather both inside the ring and at the press conference podium. “What you have to do with professionals at this level is whatever is necessary to be done to be successful in this endeavor. That’s the bottom line.

“If Floyd Mayweather turned into a dragon in the middle of the ring then Shane has to step on his tail and hit him with a body shot. Whatever comes to pass, he has to endure it, deal with it, make the adjustment and then execute.’’

Against someone as skilled and slick as Mayweather that’s a tall order. It’s why he’s 40-0 with 25 knockouts and the owner of world titles from 130 pounds to 154 pounds. Such a past makes him undefeated, however it does not make him unbeatable, a point Mosley has made throughout the lead up to this event.

But to do what no one else has done will require of Mosley more than the physical. It will demand a sense of mind control and constant mental readjustments, things he’s shown in the past and believes he still possesses in enough abundance to have his hand raised once again Saturday night.

“You have to beat Floyd with your mind as well as your power and speed,’’ Mosley (46-5, 39 KO) explained. “He knows I have the advantage in punching power. He’s not going to just walk in and trade with me so I have to use my mind to out think him.

“The jab will be important. Oscar used it again him well and his arms are almost as long as mine so that will be important. You’ll see a lot of speed and power but there are different ways to break through his defense. In this equation I have the long arms and the speed.’’

If he also has the mind and the focus Shane Mosley may remind Floyd Mayweather before Saturday night is over that including mandatory blood testing wasn’t the only smart thing he did while negotiating this fight. So was getting himself a mandatory rematch clause.


Coldwell's Corner 29: Mayweather-Mosley a fight to face Pacquiao

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LOT TO GAIN: The winner should nail an even bigger fight

It’s Showtime! Floyd Mayweather v Shane Mosley is here this weekend and I can’t wait! I’m also going to be absolutely gutted while watching it on tv as I was supposed to be there in person; George Groves was due to box on the undercard but circumstances wiped that out.

So two of my favourite boxers of the past few years are finally getting it on. It’s a huge fight with so much on the line for both fighters. There’s a lot on the line for the sport too; it’s another superfight that needs to deliver. Two of the best fighters of the past decade colliding… if they deliver a good fight, it’ll be a great boost to the sport. If the fight is a bore, it becomes a massive let-down.

I can’t actually see this being anything other than a cracker. Mosley is going let his hands go, and with speed and tenacity, even when taking the role of a counter-puncher, he makes for an exciting fighter. I think Floyd will want to put on a show in this fight, to prove to the fans that he can outspeed and outsmart the older speedster and heavier puncher.

This is also a massive shop window for Floyd to raise his value in future negotiations for the superfight against the Manny Pacquiao. Despite how he acts, I think Mayweather loves the public adoration and that it’s not just about the cash. He’ll be wanting the fans to view him as favourite going into the blockbuster against Manny. He has a huge ego and knows that the fight with the Filipino will be one of the biggest in history, so whatever the differences and controversies, I think that fight is the one Mayweather really wants. I think that fight is the reason he chose Shane Mosley as an opponent. Everything Floyd does is for a reason.

Beating Mosley in impressive fashion puts the heat on Pacquiao. It builds up Floyd’s status going into the fight both financially and in the eyes of the fans.

Mosley sees this fight as the one that will bring him the recognition and respect that he feels (rightly in my opinion) has been lacking throughout his illustrious career. Forget the Oscar De La Hoya wins, the stunning performance against Antonio Margarito , this one is THE ONE. Floyd Mayweather is the superstar of our generation, an undefeated, multi-weight champion and probably the best since the Sugar Ray Leonard era. If Mosley becomes the first man to beat Floyd, people will view him in a totally different light. He’ll become THE MAN. No doubt the fight with Manny Pacquaio will be his.

To be honest, I don’t see any other fight that is big enough for either Mayweather or Mosley after this one. It’s got to be the Pacman. I don’t see Mayweather jumping in with a Paul Williams. He’s all wrong for Floyd. The risk for the money that would be on offer isn’t enough for me to think Mayweather would look at that.

Who else is out there that “Money” would see as worthwhile or that he could get up for? For Mosley, he’s 37 and a victory would propel him into whatever fight he wants. And being 37 and after the career he’s had, I can’t see him wanting to go after anyone other than Manny.

Mosley could just ‘age’ at any time, he’s had off nights before and so could well be beaten by one of the other contenders out there. He’d surely want to cash in and take the biggest fight out there next. Mosley is far easier to deal with than Team Mayweather so I really do think a Pacquiao fight would be made without a problem.

Whoever wins on Saturday night, I really hope it’s a cracker. I don’t know who I would rather see win so I’m just going to sit back and enjoy the fight.


Shane Mosley Searching For Justice Against Floyd Mayweather

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The last time Welterweight Champion Shane Mosley fought he made a man pay for trying to bring a weapon inside the ring with him. On May 1st he'll be looking to give Floyd Mayweather a taste of some more harsh justice.

His crime? You might assume that the old pug just wants to shut Floyd up, but that's not what this is about. He has been around too long for Mayweather's classless comments to have much effect. Shane sees through the fits and the ready-made responses. I don't think it's in him to beat someone up just because they're insecure.

It goes much deeper than that. Mosley has always wanted to prove that he's the best fighter in the world, and that competitive spirit has cost him. Losses lowered his stature in the game and made him face the fact that he's not invincible. That may be the toughest pill to swallow for a great fighter, but that kind of suffering is a part of the sport for fighters unafraid to take the hard road. Shane has always accepted that and has continued to try and fight the most threatening men he could get his hands on.


While Mosley will always have the respect of fight aficianados for his willingness to take anyone they've also seen him come up short before, which is why he is more than a 3-1 underdog going into this one. Floyd has never officially lost, but for years now fans and writers alike have been waiting for it to happen. Some want to see what he has on the inside to get a better idea of just how good he really is, while others just want to see witness his fall.

Sure, Shane lost to Vernon Forrest and Winky Wright, but before you can even begin to consider how Mayweather would have fared against them you have to recognize and accept that you're playing the mythical match-up game. As Mosley has pointed out, Floyd never would have signed a contract to fight those guys.

Mayweather has no problem admitting that he's all about self-preservation. Obviously, that's a great outlook once the bell rings, but I think his record illustrates his safety-first approach just as well. Not since the two bouts with Jose Luis Castillo in 2002 has he fought an elite fighter still in their prime, yet in the last 5 years he's seen the type of fame, fortune and acclaim that has eluded Mosley. That has to annoy the proud pug from Pamona, California.

How can the rewards at the end of the smooth, open road be more abundant than what is supposed to be waiting at the end of the dark and dangerous path? In my opinion, one fighter has proven more than the other, even if he has tasted defeat in the past.

Mayweather is in a position to fight anyone in the world, and yet, he picked (or picked on) Juan Manuel Marquez, a great fighter, but significantly smaller and likely on the downside of his career. He chose an opponent he would feel safe against after "retiring" for a year and a half or so. It was a good deal for the fighter who prodes himself on being a businessman. Easy money for "Money". Just the way he likes it.

Part of the deal that went along with getting the Marquez fight was that he would sign a contract to be part of Golden Boy Promotions for awhile. Mosley is a partner in that promotional company, so when the Mayweather-Pacquiao fight fell through he had to get in there with Sugar Shane. Some would say that he was forced into taking a tougher fight than he had hoped for, and the fact that he was looking at names like Kermit Cintron, Nate Campbell and Matthew Hatton seem to support that theory.

In order to get the fight he always wanted, Shane had to agree to random blood tests, a first in the history of the sport. Floyd swears that he just wants to clean up boxing. An impossible feat, but fair enough considering the fact that Mosley was linked to Balco in 2003. What's not fair is screaming about steroids every chance he gets. Throughout the entire promotion Mayweather has used "the steroid defense" to cope with the fact that he's actually fighting someone who has a chance to hurt him. The man has taken the necessary tests. That's all he can do.

Well, not quite. He can also take Mayweather's precious zero forever. A clean win over Mayweather would put an end to the childish insults and the roid accusations while scoring one for a true throwback.

That would be justice.


Mosley likely to get Mayweather out of comfort zone

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By Chris Iorfida

The welterweight superfight between Floyd Mayweather and Shane Mosley on Saturday in Las Vegas has few peers in modern history when it comes to overall athletic ability and boxing skill level.

Mayweather (40-0, 25 knockout) and Mosley (46-5, 39 KOs) bring a repertoire to the table that may have only been matched in the last 20 years by the matchups of Roy Jones-Antonio Tarver, Jones-James Toney and Mosley's first bout with Oscar De La Hoya.

Luckily for boxing, which suffers enough self-inflicted blows, there will be another such fight not too far down the road if power puncher Manny Pacquiao takes on the winner.

Mayweather and Mosley have been potential opponents for over a decade. If it's happening a few years too late their take-home pay certainly won't reflect it - both will gross double-digit millions after the box office and pay-per-view numbers.

On paper it doesn't look like a pick'em fight. Mayweather at barely 33 is 5 1/2 years younger than Mosley.

It also begs the question: How can a fighter with five losses be reasonably expected to knock off an undefeated guy?

But nearly all fighters, even the all-time greats, lose at some point in their career, and not so often to other undefeated fighters. Tarver had two losses when he starched Jones, and Bernard Hopkins also had two career defeats when he belted Felix Trinidad.

Mosley has also consistently fought a superior level of opposition than Mayweather, raising the odds he'd lose, and has only been beaten by three men.

He was beaten twice each by Vernon Forrest and Winky Wright, rangy, physically strong fighters. Their traits are largely dissimilar to Mayweather's.

Forrest and Wright were also able to defeat Mosley because they landed enough hard right hands to earn his respect.

It's an open question whether Mayweather can do the same. Mayweather has a sneaky right hand, but it's been a long time since he seriously hurt an opponent who wasn't coming up in weight to face him.

There's a big difference between wobbling Ricky Hatton or a blown-up Juan Manuel Marquez and hurting Mosley, who's only been in serious trouble in precisely one of 51 fights.

The most vexing fight on Mosley's resume is his 2007 loss to Miguel Cotto. To some degree it looks worse now because the Puerto Rican has suffered drubbings to Antonio Margarito and Pacquiao.

But Cotto was undefeated at the time, fighting in a New York venue in front of countrymen who've always buoyed him beyond the level of his performances in Vegas. Here again, Cotto's late round success only came after he got Mosley's attention with some hard shots to the head and body.

To hear some recount it, you'd think Cotto outboxed Mosley for several rounds. In truth, it was for about two rounds, it involved heavy amounts of bicycling and occurred because Mosley had stung him earlier in the fight.

Mayweather is in another universe than Cotto when it comes to boxing ability, but he doesn't run. He uses his legs, sure, but by degree. He bends his torso, leans back, tucks his chin behind his shoulder and moves laterally.

He's there, but not there, for most opponents. But most opponents aren't Shane Mosley.


Much has been made of the fact that Mosley will be coming off a 16-month layoff, the result of a scuttled bout in January.

The argument is that for such a mature fighter, that time off will be detrimental in terms of timing and ability to let punches go in the ring. It's a valid point.

But Mosley has fought twice since Mayweather called it quits for a time after a Dec 2007 fight with Hatton (a bout that came just weeks after Mosley fought Cotto).

Mayweather's only activity since then was in September against Marquez, who was fighting 10 pounds over his best weight. The fight told us absolutely nothing about where Mayweather's at in terms of being able to go 12 hard rounds against a bona fide, top-flight welterweight. It was a stroll in the park.

You can also make a case that at Mosley's age, and given the tough battles he's been in, it's a good thing for him to essentially be fighting once a year.

In Floyd's corner

Despite the fact that Mosley brings a blend of speed and power that Mayweather hasn't seen before, there'll be a distinct speed difference in the ring. Mosley is more busy than fast, and Mayweather faced a quicker foe in Zab Judah.

It would stand to reason that the fighter who's going to be the one to defeat Mayweather will have to employ a hard jab to keep him off balance and prevent him from setting or getting off first. De La Hoya did it with some degree of success in the early rounds of their fight and then completely abandoned it.

But Mosley's jab isn't usually among his primary weapons. He often buzzes with it to establish an area of comfort and to parry incoming fire instead of attacking with it.

Mosley, despite his athletic gifts, was never among the game's defensive best. Mayweather should be able to tag him fairly regularly with the right hand without great difficulty.

Most importantly, Mayweather is one of the best defensive fighters of all time and one of the best counter-punchers of all time.

In Mosley's corner

Mosley was, is and may forever go down as one of the best bodypunchers in the game. In the fights where Mayweather has had the most difficulty establishing space and countering, it was because Jose Luis Castillo and to a lesser extent De La Hoya, focused on the torso.

Mosley will be the harder, if not cleaner puncher, and he will be the physically strongest Floyd has faced. He also knows the tricks of the trade and only on a couple of occasions has shown his opponents too much respect.

While Mosley has been discouraged in the past, it's usually come against fighters who've possessed some degree of power. If Mayweather's punches are more a nuisance than truly hurtful, Mosley will continue to find a way to win until the final bell, something that can be said for only a few of Mayweather's opponents since he's left 135 pounds.

Mosley has displayed the mentality of a warrior. We've never seen over a prolonged period if Mayweather can dig deep through great adversity.

Remember the judges

De La Hoya's aggressiveness was only moderately effective against Mayweather, but four points was the widest margin on any scorecard in that much ballyhooed fight.

Mosley, meanwhile, was rewarded in his second bout against De La Hoya for punches that looked and sounded harder than his opponent's even though it appeared as if he was being outboxed much of the time. If Mayweather relies on a peck-and-poke strategy, he too could get himself into such a predicament. Most of the judges in Nevada like aggression.

There exists the possibility that Mosley will get old overnight or come out too respectful - a strong start is a must for him - but more than likely the judges will have the fighters separated by just a point or two at the halfway point. They usually do in fights between great fighters, and Mayweather himself usually contributes to this by fighting at a methodical pace.

Mayweather's fights are often snoozes but I don't think this one will be. He's dissuaded other opponents with just a few right hands and a web-like defence, allowing him to fight at a casual pace.

But they've been smaller men and not of the calibre of Mosley. The type of performances Mayweather gave against De La Hoya, Judah and Hatton were good, but he'll need another level against Mosley.

So there's a strong chance we'll be quite entertained - either Mayweather will be upset, or he'll have to fight at an activity level we haven't seen in a long, long time.



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April 29th, 2010 By Jarrad Woods


New York, NY- Saturday’s welterweight (147 lb) match up between the Ring magazine’s #2 and #3 pound for pound fighters, Shane Mosley (46-5 39 KOs) and Floyd Mayweather (40-0 25 KOs) will answer many questions for the boxing purist and the armchair fan alike. Mainly, whether or not Floyd is as good as he believes he is. If Mayweather beats Mosley, particularly in a dominating fashion, who can still claim that Floyd’s skills have not been tested?


When most detractors speak disparagingly about Floyd Mayweather today, many of them say that he has yet to face an elite welterweight. This is underlined by the assumption that Floyd is a ‘cherry picker’ and is avoiding the toughest challenges, particularly in his own division. The truth is, Floyd did face Oscar De La Hoya at jr. middleweight (154 lbs), a division higher than welterweight, resulting in Floyd’s only split decision victory. But is size the difference between Floyd winning or losing or is it simply business that has kept some fights from happening?


Given that Mosley will be the perceived bigger man in this bout, it’s strange that the odds-makers are currently showing Mayweather as a 4-1 favorite over his seemingly toughest opponent. According to Emanuel Steward, most of his HBO colleagues, including Jim Lampley, Harold Letterman and Larry Merchant have Floyd winning the bout. The truth is Mosley is much more of a long shot to win because he simply doesn’t look great against technical boxers.


The closest Mosley came to defeating a prime technical boxer were his victories over De La Hoya in 2000 and 2003. Mosley did beat Oscar De La Hoya, but is also important to note that (at the time) he was also using steroids and both victories were disputed. A drug free Mosley certainly wouldn’t have been expected to do better against a prime De La Hoya, so it’s makes you wonder about the edge the steroids actually gave him in those wins. Mosley has looked excellent against stationary fighters who come forward and brawl, because he has a great chin and usually possesses the faster hands. However, Miguel Cotto (5’6”) proved, skill and ring generalship and not size was the real deciding factor when he outpointed Mosley in 2007.


For reasons that I still cannot understand, Floyd never fought Miguel Cotto. Cotto was the one welterweight fighter who literally was able to fight everyone of significance at welterweight not named Mayweather. Many would say that it’s Arum’s fault, that Cotto was too green, never called Floyd out, or the money wasn’t there for Floyd, etc. but I believe it was a much needed fight, particularly when Cotto was undefeated and in his prime. It’s a shame, not because I believe Floyd would have had much trouble, but because he never took the opportunity to assert his dominance against the best the sport had to offer. If there is one strike I have against Floyd its not facing Cotto in his prime.


Mosley beat the guy that beat the guy. Antonio Margarito destroyed Cotto in eleven rounds, making him the best welterweight in 2008. Because Mosley lost to Cotto but then beat the snot out of Margarito, we can really say that styles make fights. Although Margarito is a polar opposite to Mayweather, there is still intrigue because Floyd has not faced many of the bigger threats at welterweight and Mosley also possesses comparable speed. But while these assets look good on paper, they don’t necessarily spell W-I-N for Mosley, considering what he’s up against. In this fight, Mosley will have to rely on another advantage that might count, and that is luck.
Jarrad Woods


Catfight In Vegas: Mayweather gaybird, Mosley jailbird?

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HONG KONG--I have put some serious air miles between myself and that awful catfight in Las Vegas.

Maybe I should keep going, past Manila where I land in about three hours, and head for Ulan Bator.

That sounds like a good place to watch "Gossip Girl" Floyd Mayweather Jr. and snarky Sugar Shane Mosley try to claw each other's eyes out in a Las Vegas ring.

The prefight banter has been filled with so many low blows the Nevada commission might dump reliable Kenny Bayless and draft Jerry Springer as the referee.

Angered by the catty comments of Money May regarding his divorce, his newly acquired tattoos and a supposed nose job, Mosley came out the other day and asked if Mayweather "is gay or something?"

Not the brightest remark considering it is the year 2010 and homosexuality is not illegal in any civilized nation.

Mosley probably figures that some rumormongers will tie in rapper and Mayweather bosom buddy 50 Cent, long subject of he is gay whispers, to the situation.

I've got news for Mosley regarding anyone including Mayweather being a gay man, bisexual, heterosexual or trysexuyal, meaning including a possible wild donkey show in Tijuana and meaning he will try anything once.

I don't know what Mayweather's sexual preferences are and I don't care. Neither should you.


The silly comments reminded me that one of our greatest ever, welterweight and middleweight champion Emile Griffith, is a gay man who in less enlightened times had to hide that fact in a dark closet.

Being tough and being gay are not mutually exclusive, you see.

In retaliation, Mayweather predictably came back with remarks about Mosley possibly going to jail like track star Marion Jones diod for lying about using steroids.

If memory serves, that former Victor Conte protege got a six month bid at some Club Fed.

Maybe Mosley did not lie.

Not being the brightest lamp around, maybe he actually did not the drugs he obtained personally from Conte at BALCO were illegal. Perhaps he just thought they were miracle substances offered at popular prices by kindly Uncle Victor, the former Tower Of Power band member.

Some Mosley tosses out the "might be gay" charge while Mayweather responds with the lying under oath to a federal grandy jury allegation.

This prefight verbal exchanges are, you must admit, not very illuminating or very lofty.

Mosley and Mayweather are throwing sewer sludge at each other and it doesn't make either of them look like a boxing superstar.

As I recall, Thomas Hearns and Sugar Ray Leonard never dished the dirt, real or imagined, like that.

Plus the fact they were both better fighters than these two.

Let's go into fast forward.

Let's see some shoulder rolls from Mayweather.

And let's see if Mosley can ever hit the elusive Floyd in the rear end with a bag of rice.

I don't think he can.

Do you?


Richard Schaefer's 4 million buys prediction for Mayweather vs. Mosley realistic?

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Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer is known for his bold pay per view predictions, but his latest might have topped them all.

Not satisfied with his previous prediction that Mayweather vs. Mosley would merely break the all time pay per view record, he now thinks they could nearly double it.

Speaking to the media today at the final press conference, Shaefer said:

"I am not going to say that we are going to break the all time pay-per-view record. I am not going to say we are going to do 3 million either. 4 million pay-per-view buys are possible,"

Schaefer's buy rate predictions have been getting bigger and bigger as the fight has drawn nearer, and obviously 4 million is his most ambitious figure yet. Most doubt that this figure is achievable, but Shaefer has been right about this kind of thing before, and does have access to early sales figures and predictions from insiders.

The current pay per view record is 2.15 million purchases, which was for the May 5, 2007 Oscar De La Hoya - Floyd Mayweather fight. At that time though there were two big draws present, and both Oscar and Mayweather had sold well independently of each other before and after they fought.

Mayweather's last fight was a thrashing of an undersized Juan Manuel Marquez, which sold over one million buys even though the challenger was given very little chance against the returning Mayweather.

Mosley hasn't been seen as a huge draw in the past, and even against other big draws such as Oscar De La Hoya he has never put up huge numbers. His biggest to date was his second fight with the Golden Boy, which sold 950,000 buys, although much of the interest in this was the rematch angle. This was a big number back in 2003, since then Mosley has been hit and miss in his appearances, and until his last fight against Antonio Margarito was thought to be a spend force.

There are a couple of factors with this fight could enhance Mosley's selling power though. Firstly the fight is between two American athletes, which isn't something that happens all that regularly these days. This is significant simply because the United States is the biggest pay per view market. Of the biggest pay per view selling fights of all time, the vast majority of the fighters have been American.

A second factor could well be that Mosley is almost the complete opposite of Mayweather. Fans who don't like Mayweather's brash and at times arrogant demeanor are still buying the fight because he is against someone humble and quietly spoken in Shane Mosley.

Thirdly his first appearance on the 24/7 series will have helped Mosley to gain a slightly larger fan base than he would have had otherwise. At the age of 38 he isn't going to become a star overnight, or at all in fact, but the reserved Mosley is getting the exposure his pre fight talk tends to lack.



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Mayweather vs Mosley
April 29th, 2010 By John Signorella


Millions around the world will be in anticipation of a memorable battle when pugilist genius legends and future hall of fame inductees Floyd “Money” Mayweather Jr. (40-0, 25 KOs) and “Sugar” Shane Mosley (46-5, 39 KOs) wage war for top “Pound for Pound” supremacy in a welterweight (147) showdown at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas, NV, Saturday at 9 PM ET, live on HBO PPV.


Before his first true test at top level competition against former champion Diego Corrales, Mayweather emerged on the boxing scene destroying his first 24 foes with 18 wins by way of flashy knockout. During his dismantling of the warrior spirited scrapper Corrales (W TKO 10), Mayweather commanded the show and demonstrated a virtuoso of brilliant artistic assault. Floyd then went on to easily defend his title two more times before earning a controversial points decision victory in a “life and death” struggle to the finish against veteran brawler Jose Luis Castillo. Immediately thereafter, the boxing public demanded a rematch and Mayweather met and dominated Castillo eight months later (W UD 12). Over his next nine bouts, Mayweather took on formidable opposition, highlighted by a knockout win over gladiator fan favorite Arturo Gatti (W TKO 6). Because of the ease in which Mayweather blasted out his seemingly over matched adversaries, outcry from the boxing world ensued for Mayweather to step up and face a more dangerous and bigger fighter, which brought life to one of the richest fights in the history of the sport. In an intriguing bout on paper, Oscar De La Hoya accepted Floyd’s challenge. The fight failed to live up to expectation, and saw Mayweather win a close boxing exhibition against a seemingly faded once great champion (W SD 12). In the aftermath of the Oscar encounter, Mayweather pursued one of boxing’s biggest attractions Ricky Hatton for a mega fight. In a “back and forth” closely contested bout, Mayweather nailed an overly aggressive Ricky Hatton with a perfectly timed “check hook” which handed Hatton his first defeat and knockout loss (W TKO 10). After a brief retirement, Mayweather commendably came out of a two-year hibernation to easily outpoint one of the sports best competitors; Juan Manuel Marquez.


Mayweather brings an enormous amount of attributes to the dance. Floyd possesses exceptional hand and foot speed, accompanied by superb youthful reflexes and tremendous defensive movement. Mayweather’s from a family of decorated fighters and from this has obtained a proven brilliant boxing IQ which has garnered him consideration to one of the best fighters to ever step into a boxing ring.


Shane Mosley exploded on the scene recording an outstanding perfect 34 victories with 32 knockouts before facing Oscar De La Hoya. In a career defining fight for Mosley, he and De La Hoya fought at an excruciatingly violent pace, and typified their act of madness with a memorable 12th round of reckless abandonment to the finish. Mosley proved to be the better man, winning a split decision handing Oscar his first true defeat. In the wake of his newly found super-stardom, Mosley successfully defended his titles three times before meeting a prime and hungry Vernon Forrest. Forrest shockingly handled the smaller Mosley with ease and managed to send him to the canvas twice in round two. The courageous Mosley was able to get up and fight valiantly to the finish. Losing the bout on all scorecards, Mosley won the admiration of fight fans world wide. Six months later, Mosley and Forrest would do it again, and a better version of Mosley surfaced on that night, however the result would read the same (L UD 12). Being the competitive enforcer that he his, Mosley regrouped and returned to earn a pair of wins, most notably against old rival Oscar De la Hoya (W UD 12), but in postmortem, Shane would then go on to be upset in a couple of scraps against defensive wizard Winky Wright (L UD 12, twice). Removed from the aforementioned setbacks to Wright, again, Shane would bounce back, and mark the return of the Mosley of old by scoring two consecutive back-to-back TKO wins over former belt holder Fernando Vargas (W TKO 10, W TKO 6). After dispatching of Vargas, and winning his next fight, Shane went onto face Miguel Cotto. In a closely contested scintillating war of action fighters, Mosley dropped a unanimous decision to Cotto. Always a good sportsmen, Mosley didn’t make excuses or complain about the unfavorable verdict and fueled another comeback. In his next bout, Shane knocked out madman thug Ricardo Mayorga with a blistering hook in the 12th round. Mosley is coming off his most impressive win in years by pounding the hell out of boxing’s latest feared bad boy Antonio Margarito.


Mosley brings action, intensity, passion, heart and drama to the show. Despite his advanced age, like his counterpart, Shane has great hand speed, but unlike his opponent, has serious power that can turn your lights out at any moment, especially in the late rounds. In facing some of the best fighters of the past 20 years, Mosley also enjoys a highly keen boxing IQ and has been celebrated as one of the sports best fighters for the nearly a dozen of years.


Signorella’s Pick: Mosley, TKO 10

John Signorella


Shane Mosley endures extra long training camp in preparation for Floyd Mayweather

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By David Mayo

LAS VEGAS -- Shane Mosley hasn’t fought in more than 15 months. But when he steps into the ring Saturday night against Floyd Mayweather at MGM Grand Garden Arena, he effectively will do so after the longest training camp of his career.

Mosley was scheduled to fight Andre Berto in January when talks for a Mayweather-Manny Pacquiao fight fell apart.

Shortly thereafter, Berto withdrew from the fight with Mosley, citing personal distractions after the earthquake disaster in his native Haiti.

Mosley, already sharp from almost seven weeks in formal training, said he took off "maybe a week and a half" after Berto's withdrawal, which was his only training respite since early December and could help mitigate his career-long layoff of 15-plus months.

"And I really didn't take off that much," he said. "I have guys that I spar with that, if they have a fight coming up, I'll spar with them, even if I don't have anything. My son, I'm training him, so I'll go work with him. So I'm always doing something.”

Shane Mosley Jr., 19, is an amateur welterweight who is 6-feet-1 and probably soon headed to the middleweight division, his father said.

Having his namesake son on the rise will keep Shane Mosley Sr. attuned to boxing in a different way than he has become accustomed, although he said he never expected to stray far from the game even after his career ends.

"I'm never totally away from the gym,” he said. “Even when I retire, I won't get away from the gym. I'll probably still be around the gym, sparring, or doing something, because I can't get away from it."


Comparing Mayweather to the all time greats: He's not even close

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Fort Smith Boxing Examiner | Lorne Scoggins

Floyd Mayweather has already proclaimed himself the greatest boxer of all time, based on his undefeated record. There are some serious flaws in his ideology.

He's naming himself as the greatest ever, but he has yet to even prove that he's the greatest of his own era.

That doesn't add up.

"But Mayweather's undefeated," Floyd fans will say.

So what?

George Foreman was 40-0 when he was defeated by Muhammad Ali. Not bad.

Larry Holmes went 48-0 before losing to Michael Spinks. Even better.

Rocky Marciano retired at 49-0, with 43 knockouts.

Julio Cesar Chavez won his first 88 fights (yes, 88) before he finally suffered a draw against Pernell Whitaker.

Packy McFarland lost his first fight. He decided he didn't dig that so he went ahead and won his next 98.

The officially awarded greatest of all time, Sugar Ray Robinson, was 128-1 in the prime of his career. He finished his career at 173-19 with 108 KOs.

Willie Pep won his first 62 fights, lost one, then won his next 72 bouts. That put him at 134-1, at that point.

Which record would you prefer? 40-0 or 134-1?

Here's the real deal:

Not only did these guys have outstanding records, they built their tremendous stacks of stats without cherry-picking their opponents. The afore-mentioned pugilists fought everybody that was willing to step into the ring with them.

Who was that other guy again? Oh yeah, Floyd Mayweather, the greatest boxer ever.

If Mayweather beats Mosley he'll be 41-0.


Perhaps he needs to start with proving he's the best of his time before proclaiming himself as the best ever.

In order to do that he needs to defeat Mosley. That's no easy task, but he'll probably succeed.

Long-time boxing fan, Jason Harris of Garfield, thinks he'll get the job done.

"I think the fight will go the distance. I'm just interested in seeing how Mayweather plans on fighting Mosley," Harris said. "Mosley is an excellent boxer who posesses speed and power. It's going to be fun to watch. Ultimately, I think Mayweather will win the fight."

Even if Mayweather were to beat Mosley and then Pacquiao by first punch KOs, he still couldn't be compared to the old-school greats mentioned above.

He doesn't have enough time left to fight another 100 bouts, so he will have to do something truly extraordinary to establish himself as the greatest ever, and I do mean truly extraordinary.

If he takes on Nikolai Valuev and the Klitschko brothers simultaneously and knocks all three of them over the top rope in the first round while yelling "What's my name?!", he might be worthy of being mentioned in the same (run-on) sentence as Chavez, McFarley, Robinson and Pep.

Greatest ever?


Greatest of this era?

Manny Pacquiao is the fighter of the decade and the No. 1 Pound for Pound king.

He's the guy that Mayweather has to fight next if he really cares about his legacy.


Wednesday, April 28, 2010


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By Mark Staniforth, PA Sport

Floyd Mayweather says he is a better boxer than Muhammad Ali or Sugar Ray Robinson.

But, approaching his fight against 38-year-old Shane Mosley on Saturday night, he has a funny way of trying to prove it.

"What makes them [Ali and Robinson] any better than I am?" said Mayweather.

"Muhammad Ali is one hell of a fighter but Floyd Mayweather is the best. Sugar Ray Robinson is one hell of a fighter but Floyd Mayweather is the best."

The cold fact is until Mayweather puts aside the excuses which scuppered his earlier negotiations with Manny Pacquiao, the fact is he cannot realistically be considered to be the best of his era, let alone the best of all time.

You might call his fight against Mosley an exercise in boxing cynicism. Since losing to Miguel Cotto in 2007, Mosley has fought just once a year, scoring stoppage wins over faded Ricardo Mayorga and discredited Antonio Margarito.

By virtue of his super-fast skills of old and the heap of world titles at his disposal, Mosley is a big name in US boxing so it was no surprise when he was plucked from the bunch of possible contenders for Mayweather's latest comeback.

There was a time perhaps three years ago when Mosley would surely have given Mayweather a real run for his money. One could say the same for Miguel Cotto, who never got a look-in on Mayweather's itinerary and is now a busted flush.

You can tell the folk around the fight are a little desperate, because they have launched a website specifically for the purpose of totalling votes for the winner - implying a pick 'em fight, but suggesting deep down they know it is anything but.

Mayweather should win with consummate ease, and lo and behold a fight against Pacquiao will magically appear on the horizon, the pair of them richer by a score or so million as a direct result of their alleged bickering.

It is not until that night that Mayweather will finally get the chance to prove he truly belongs in the pantheon inhabited by the likes of Ali and Robinson, both of whom beat off the best of the rest of numerous competitive eras.

Where is Mayweather's epic Joe Frazier trilogy? His St Valentine's Day Massacre? Arguably his best win came way back in 1998 when he exhibited his blazing hand speed to devour Genaro Hernandez via eighth round stoppage.

He beat a weight-drained Diego Corrales, a past-it Arturo Gatti, a not-up-to-it Ricky Hatton, and a too-slow Oscar De La Hoya. A harsh judgement, perhaps, but not in the context of his boast to be an all-time great.

Boxing in the US, for all its undoubted resurgence in recent years, most of it due to the breath of fresh air provided by De La Hoya's Golden Boy Promotions, is in danger of flailing under the weight of what helped it come back in the first place.

Serving up big-name bouts is one thing but not when the public are so easily misled into believing that just because someone is a recognisable enough public face it therefore qualifies him for a shot other fighters would dream of.

Mosley is no slouch but neither is he Pacquiao: a ferocious fighter at the top of his game. Neither is he Edwin Valero, who died tragically last week without ever getting even a sniff of a chance to show his potential.

Valero was the type of fighter whom the current boxing big-shots have nightmares about: possessing both the crippling disadvantage of virtual anonymity with the curse of being an explosive puncher anyone in their right mind would run a mile from.

If Mayweather truly wants to put himself up there as a contender for the mantle of the greatest ever, he should not be dipping out of so-called retirement once a year for pay-per-view showpiece fights against the likes of Mosley.

"I can't see how a guy like Mosley can even call himself great," said Mayweather this week.

"I can't see how Mosley can talk about putting himself as a future Hall of Famer. He is a solid welterweight."

The question, then, is what precisely Mayweather is doing sharing the Las Vegas ring with just a "solid welterweight" on Saturday night.

In the answer may lie the truth about usurping Ali and Robinson will remain a fanciful notion for some time yet.


Mayweather vs. Mosley: Fate Plays the Hand

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April 28th, 2010
Julie Cockerham

Floyd Mayweather is a consummate scientist. He is a fighter who understands boxing thoroughly from the practitioner’s perspective, from the observer’s perspective, and from the businessman’s perspective. Disregarding appraisals of his brutish conduct, Mayweather forms the model of boxing’s most intriguing image. He is a study in contrasts. He has the unparalleled ability to run, hide, stand, and shine all in one instant.

He isn’t widely loved, and many consider his obnoxious bravado as a deterrent in evaluating his technical prowess. It is hard to ignore. But it is that challenge that brings him to the forefront of any pugilistic conversation. He can’t be ignored, so he plays on the mind. There, he swells into a figure that is both maddening and dazzling. He is great and terrible all at once, and so he draws similarities with born leaders. It explains his unyielding dominance in boxing for the time that he has graced the sport.

There is no question that Manny Pacquiao is a phenomenon who is deservedly adored. But even with all the accolades that constantly surround Pacquiao, Mayweather is hardly eclipsed by his sun. “Money” matters.

And he knows it.

This time, though, something has happened out of place. This time, Mayweather emerges the winner of the skirmish in the ongoing battle of the two kings. Usually outgunned in all terms of affection by the pound for pound number one fighter in the sport; oddly, this time, it has become Mayweather who has seized the prized territory.

Shane Mosley trumps Joshua Clottey.

Undoubtedly, Pacquiao would have been willing to fight Mosley, but fate has a funny way of intervening. Pacquiao, in his eagerness to paint over the eye sore of the fallen- through super fight with Mayweather, was too quick to draft Clottey as an opponent. Mosley was still scheduled to fight Andre Berto, until the earthquake in Haiti required the latter’s withdrawal. Mosley was left raring with nowhere to go.

Meanwhile, Mayweather had been brilliantly plying his trade by selecting Mexican great Juan Manual Marquez as his comeback opponent from a short-lived and unappreciated retirement. Mayweather won the fight. But the next logical step toward Pacquiao was unfulfilled when he decided to play the role of commission and demand his own drug testing. When it fell through, Mayweather was left with a staff in his hands and a question of whose court to preside over.

Mayweather let Pacquiao go and it was unlikely that he could legitimately pick through Pacquiao’s vanquished for his next outing with any material success. And even those who had not fallen to the Filipino’s sword -- they too were thinning out with each passing day. Clottey was tied up. Antonio Margarito was still on suspension. And Tim Bradley hasn’t yet become a recognizable enough name to summon Mayweather through the ropes.

So it became that Mayweather’s only viable option would be to fight Shane Mosley, and in the process realize a bout that had been in the making for years.

By all logical accounts, Mayweather’s hand was forced. But he is to be commended nonetheless. He could have announced another mock retirement, and claimed dubiously that he had nothing left to prove. But he didn’t do it this time. He chose to stand and fight.

Mosley is, hands down, the most threatening opponent of Mayweather’s career. Styles make fights, and Mosley’s, whether it proves to be tempered by age or not, should give Mayweather some good grief. This, take a breath, is a calculated risk for Mayweather.

He has injected into the pre-fight blitz his usual blend of narcissistic, brash tongue lashing. And in doing so, he betrays his own contradictory nature. Mayweather talks the talk, but there doesn’t seem to be anything behind it. He is behaving in the way he thinks he is supposed to behave; an actor playing the role of villain. He’s been surrounded by this kind of conduct his whole life. His family is a collection of oddities; loud figures who have generally been an unflattering influence on Mayweather’s character development.

But this is not the portrait of a man who believes dogmatically in his own invincibility, no matter how vocally he swears to that effect. His post-fight actions completely oppose his pre-fight actions; crumbling to his knees in tears of victory, and praising his opponent’s valor. At the fight’s conclusion, he doesn’t behave like a man who feels entitled to victory. He behaves as though he is grateful, relieved that he has validated his claims of being the best. It is, in a vague and complex way, an expression of humbleness.

As for his opponent, Shane Mosley, he is far too experienced to be rattled by Mayweather’s taunts. He knows the game in and out, and being established long before Mayweather, he understands the source. In their face-off interview on HBO, Mosley recounted a time earlier in Mayweather’s career when he approached him before a fight to wish him luck. Mayweather reportedly responded, “I think you’re a great fighter and I want to be just like you when I get up in the ranks.”

Mayweather isn’t acknowledging that sentiment now and Mosley can only view him with disdain for being a good seed that was poorly cultivated.

But the moment of truth is fast approaching. Fight night has the potential to deliver a masterly spectacle, and one that will promise contributions from both fighters. Mosley may not be the exact image of his old self when he steps into the ring. But whatever he is, it may be enough. Mosley has height and reach advantages. His speed is at least comparable.

What Mosley has to be cautious of is being drawn into a mind game with Mayweather. It is virtually impossible to win against him on those terms. Mayweather’s reflexes enjoy an instantaneous bond with his brain. If he sees even a momentary gleam of an opening, he can exploit it immediately. Mosley at 38 years of age might not be able to rely on that response timing. But even if decreased by age, his arsenal is threatening enough to create a chance for him.

Mayweather said in the face-off interview: “There’s no blueprint on how to beat me.”

This is untrue. Boxing writer Springs Toledo created a blueprint in March of 2009, aptly titled: “THE BLUEPRINT: How to Beat Floyd Mayweather.”

A possibility of victory over Mayweather exists for the fighter who is multi-faceted; possessing qualities of skill, focus, determination, strength, fearlessness and sharp, blood-born instinct. Mosley fits all the criteria. The pressure he will apply will fluster Mayweather; he’s not used to being handled. Feeling Mosley’s power, he may fold, fly, or fight. Naazim Richardson’s prediction of Mayweather turning into a dragon in the ring is telling. Mayweather could, after all, show a side of himself that will put all questions to rest of him having any true, modern-day peer.

But Richardson’s prediction also implies that his battle-worn soldier is ready for anything. A win for Mosley would vault him into another realm. Crowns would change heads and the battlefield would be populated with a new, yet familiar force. It would steal the splendor from a clash between the two, original kings, but would supplant it with a contest equally as enticing.

If Mayweather wins, he’s survived another day. It supplies him with the precious validation that is his air, food, and shelter. Mosley, in that event, would become another victim; but of the best, most noble thread. Mosley’s journey is complete with or without a victory over Mayweather. He imprints on the mind as a consummate warrior; green-eyed, without envy.

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